Preverb marking: Difference between revisions

sona pona li lon lawa mi taso anu seme. tenpo ni la ona li lon lipu.
(sona pona li lon lawa mi taso anu seme. tenpo ni la ona li lon lipu.)
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{{Needs work|better explanation of the {{tp|ni}} method}}
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The syntax of each of the preverb-marking methods is identical when a sentence has a single preverb. The methods diverge when multiple preverbs are involved, with {{tp|ja}} requiring the particle to be repeated, whereas {{tp|ta}} can mark multiple preverbs at once. The word {{tp|ja}} allows for [[modifiers|modification]] of the preverb, which is not possible with {{tp|ta}} except for negation with {{tp|[[ala]]}}. The {{tp|ta}} method and the {{tp|ni}} method work different semantically, and {{tp|ja}} has undefined semantics.
 
=={{tp|ni}}==
{{nimi|ni}}
 
ForThe example,use "of '''{{tp|mi utala ni toki e ijo}}"'' isas meanta aspreverb anmarker abbreviationwas ofdeveloped by "{{tptok|mijan utala ni: mi toki e ijoTepo}}," whichin meansMay the same as "{{tp|mi toki e ijo2021. ni li utala.}}"<ref>{{cite Discord|url=https://discord.com/channels/301377942062366741/1134994249021136916375591429608570881/1135073218496053378839587472216162364|channel=tokisona-sulimusi|server=ma pona pi toki pona|author=jan Tepo|username=tbodt|access-date=2024-02-03-12}}</ref>
 
This was designed as a simple abbreviation of existing constructs rather than completely new grammar. In a statement like "{{tp|mi P V e ijo}}", the meaning is as if the phrase "{{tp|V e ijo}}" was a modifier on the preverb P. This means the meaning would be equivalent to "{{tp|mi P ni: mi V e ijo}}". The "hidden" ni here could then be written out to serve as a preverb marker.
 
A statement like "{{tp|mi utala ni toki e ijo}}" is interpreted as an abbreviation of "{{tp|mi utala ni: mi toki e ijo}}."<ref>{{cite Discord|url=https://discord.com/channels/301377942062366741/1134994249021136916/1135073218496053378|channel=toki-suli|server=ma pona pi toki pona|author=jan Tepo|username=tbodt|access-date=2024-02-03}}</ref>
 
jan Tepo later learned that the word "co" in Lojban works exactly like this, semantically and syntactically, and suggested loaning it as {{tp|so}} as a synonym for this usage of {{tp|ni}}.
 
=={{tp|ja}}==
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'''{{tp|ta}}''' was coined by {{tok|[[jan Tepo]]}} and further developed by [[User:Lassc|the keyring system]] with inspiration from jan Tepo's {{tp|ni}} and {{tp|ja}} in 2023. The keyring system intended it as an alternative to {{tp|ja}} without the need to repeat the particle for multiple preverbs, and with more clearly defined semantics to allow any word to be used as a preverb.<ref>{{cite Discord|url=https://discord.com/channels/301377942062366741/340307145373253642/1066926383747575829|channel=pali-musi|server=ma pona pi toki pona|author=kupikoni|username=kupikoni#3673|access-date=2024-02-03|quote=i knew about ja when making ta, but I had complaints about how poorly defined the semantics of content word to pv meaning were and i disliked the idea of repeating the particle for every pv}}</ref>
 
=== Syntax ===
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|jan-mute li nasin <mark>ta </mark>tawa() tomo-pali
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=={{tp|ni}}==
 
{{tok|[[jan Tepo]]}} abandoned {{tp|ta}} in favor of using the word {{tp|[[ni]]}} to mark preverbs.
 
For example, "{{tp|mi utala ni toki e ijo}}" is meant as an abbreviation of "{{tp|mi utala ni: mi toki e ijo}}," which means the same as "{{tp|mi toki e ijo. ni li utala.}}"<ref>{{cite Discord|url=https://discord.com/channels/301377942062366741/1134994249021136916/1135073218496053378|channel=toki-suli|server=ma pona pi toki pona|author=jan Tepo|username=tbodt|access-date=2024-02-03}}</ref>
 
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