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'''Preverb marking''' is a set of experimental {{tp|[[nasin (meta)|nasin]]}}s, which explicitly separate the [[preverb]] of a sentence from the [[predicate]], often with the use of {{tp|[[nimi sin]]}}. The words '''{{tp|
The syntax of each of the preverb-marking methods is identical when a sentence has a single preverb. The methods diverge when multiple preverbs are involved, with {{tp|ja}} requiring the particle to be repeated, whereas {{tp|ta}} can mark multiple preverbs at once. The
=={{tp|ni}}==
{{nimi|ni}}
The use of '''{{tp|ni}}''' as a preverb marker was developed by {{tok|jan Tepo}} in May 2021.<ref>{{cite Discord|url=https://discord.com/channels/301377942062366741/375591429608570881/839587472216162364|channel=sona-musi|server=ma pona pi toki pona|author=jan Tepo|username=tbodt|access-date=2024-03-12|quote=what if ni. mi wile ni moku. huh I kinda like this (...) actually I like this a lot because it's like you just elided the colon. i'm pretty sure A li preverb B e C generally means A li preverb ni: A li B e C, but the subject is shared so you want to elide it}}</ref>
This was designed as a simple abbreviation of existing constructs rather than completely new grammar. In a statement like "{{tp|mi P V e ijo}}", the meaning is as if the phrase "{{tp|V e ijo}}" was a modifier on the preverb P. This means the meaning would be equivalent to "{{tp|mi P ni: mi V e ijo}}". The "hidden" ni here could then be written out to serve as a preverb marker.
A statement like "{{tp|mi utala ni toki e ijo}}" is interpreted as an abbreviation of "{{tp|mi utala ni: mi toki e ijo}}."<ref>{{cite Discord|url=https://discord.com/channels/301377942062366741/1134994249021136916/1135073218496053378|channel=toki-suli|server=ma pona pi toki pona|author=jan Tepo|username=tbodt|access-date=2024-02-03|quote=nasin mi: mi utala ni toki e ni. → mi utala ni: mi toki e ni. ≈ mi toki e ni. ni li utala. jan mute li nasin ni tawa tomo pali. → jan mute li nasin ni: ona li tomo pali. li wawa tan ni: nimi open ale li kama sona lon nasin sama}}</ref>
jan Tepo later learned that the word "co" in Lojban works exactly like this, semantically and syntactically, and suggested loaning it as '''{{tp|so}}''' as a synonym for this usage of {{tp|ni}}.
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=={{tp|ja}}==
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'''{{tp|ja}}''' was coined in July 2021 by a group of people, most notably {{tok|wuwojiti Haev}}, {{tok|[[jan Pensa]]}} and {{tok|jan Kita}}.<ref>{{cite Discord|url=https://discord.com/channels/301377942062366741/870019569866145812/870019571317342238|channel=sona-mus|thread=nimisin for marking preverbs|server=ma pona pi toki pona|access-date=2024-02-03}}</ref> It was made to allow experimental preverbs to be used without ambiguity.
=== Syntax ===
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=== Semantics ===
The meanings of preverbs marked by {{tp|ja}} are not explicitly defined. It was meant to work with already proposed experimental preverbs rather than being used as a regular method to create new preverbs. However, it can also be used with any system of regular preverb derivation, including the ones proposed for {{tp|ta}} and {{tp|ni}}.
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=={{tp|ta}}==
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'''{{tp|ta}}''' was developed by [[User:Lassc|the keyring system]] in 2023 with inspiration from
Coincidentally, {{tok|jan Kita}} also offhandedly suggested {{tp|ta}} as a preverb-marking particle in February 2021,<ref>{{cite Discord|url=https://discord.com/channels/301377942062366741/375591429608570881/813515031429120012|channel=sona-musi|server=ma pona pi toki pona|author=jan Kita|username=.hecko|access-date=2024-03-12}}<blockquote>
<code>lu</code> but for preverbs, let's say <code>ta</code><br />
probably not very useful but idk
mi lukin pona e sina - i see you well<br />
mi lukin ta pona e sina - i try to fix you<br />
mi usawi ta kiwen e sina - i magically turn you into stone (tan @lipamanka#6684)
i swear this is not a calque of <code>ta</code> it's just how the examples ended up being <br />
(the fact that i couldn't think of any preverbable words shows how non-useful this probably is)
</blockquote></ref> but this has no relation to the 2023 version of {{tp|ta}}.
=== Syntax ===
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