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This is a tricky one: jan Kala in particular uses "anu" even to break sentences like "taso", so maybe he should be left out? I don't think it's fair at all to say that whether or not it is possible to use "anu" as a way of forming disjunctions is controversial per se: rather, the uncertainty about how it should be done has meant that it's hardly done at all (I confirmed this by trawling through utala pona winners for examples: many never use it, and the vast majority of the uses, including those who exclusively use it this way, are "anu seme" forms). I think (as a slight reformist soap box) that we actually *do* know how to use "anu" to form disjunctions, and that there are enough examples of its being used to be worth documenting here. [[User:JPeton|JPeton]] ([[User talk:JPeton|talk]]) 02:15, 11 November 2023 (UTC) |
This is a tricky one: jan Kala in particular uses "anu" even to break sentences like "taso", so maybe he should be left out? I don't think it's fair at all to say that whether or not it is possible to use "anu" as a way of forming disjunctions is controversial per se: rather, the uncertainty about how it should be done has meant that it's hardly done at all (I confirmed this by trawling through utala pona winners for examples: many never use it, and the vast majority of the uses, including those who exclusively use it this way, are "anu seme" forms). I think (as a slight reformist soap box) that we actually *do* know how to use "anu" to form disjunctions, and that there are enough examples of its being used to be worth documenting here. [[User:JPeton|JPeton]] ([[User talk:JPeton|talk]]) 02:15, 11 November 2023 (UTC) |
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:* [https://mun.la/sona/bits#anu Learn Toki Pona!] |
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:unless i'm horribly misunderstanding what you're getting at ~[[User:.hecko|.hecko]] ([[User talk:.hecko|talk]]) 10:22, 6 February 2024 (UTC) |
:unless i'm horribly misunderstanding what you're getting at ~[[User:.hecko|.hecko]] ([[User talk:.hecko|talk]]) 10:22, 6 February 2024 (UTC) |
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::No, you're right. I'm convinced. There's been a fair amount of back and forth on this page about whether or not it's permitted to use [[anu]] this way, but it seems as if that's settled down by now. We should edit. [[User:JPeton|JPeton]] ([[User talk:JPeton|talk]]) 11:30, 6 February 2024 (UTC) |
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Noting for the future: lots of people use [[anu]] at the beginning of a sentence ''without'' [[la]]. That should be documented under experimental usage. [[User:JPeton|JPeton]] ([[User talk:JPeton|talk]]) 12:06, 6 February 2024 (UTC) |
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:@[[User:JPeton|JPeton]], do you have a reference of people doing that, I've never seen that. do you mean such as Olipija's use? which is also lacking in the article [[User:SnpoSuwan|jan Juwan]] ([[User talk:SnpoSuwan|talk]]) 12:40, 6 June 2024 (UTC) |
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Latest revision as of 12:40, 6 June 2024
I'm alright with including jan Pije's lessons, but others may feel differently. jan Pije Lesson 12 --JPeton (talk) 19:48, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
Disjunction[edit | edit source]
This is a tricky one: jan Kala in particular uses "anu" even to break sentences like "taso", so maybe he should be left out? I don't think it's fair at all to say that whether or not it is possible to use "anu" as a way of forming disjunctions is controversial per se: rather, the uncertainty about how it should be done has meant that it's hardly done at all (I confirmed this by trawling through utala pona winners for examples: many never use it, and the vast majority of the uses, including those who exclusively use it this way, are "anu seme" forms). I think (as a slight reformist soap box) that we actually *do* know how to use "anu" to form disjunctions, and that there are enough examples of its being used to be worth documenting here. JPeton (talk) 02:15, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
The community at large is hesitant to use it this way because of this uncertainty. [citation needed: Obviously true, but difficult to substantiate.]
- oh? that's news to me
- personally i'm not hesitant at all to use it, i just happen to need to use anu seme more often (like how monsi is rarely used but nobody's gonna hesitate to use it)
- also while i agree anu is underspecified, the specific usage as a disjunction is absolutely documented:
- (the article says pu but the example isn't pu so idk)
- lipu sona pona
- 12 days
- soweli Tesa's (calls it a conjunction, likely as in the grammar term not the logic term)
- Learn Toki Pona!
- unless i'm horribly misunderstanding what you're getting at ~.hecko (talk) 10:22, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
- No, you're right. I'm convinced. There's been a fair amount of back and forth on this page about whether or not it's permitted to use anu this way, but it seems as if that's settled down by now. We should edit. JPeton (talk) 11:30, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
Sentence initial anu[edit | edit source]
Noting for the future: lots of people use anu at the beginning of a sentence without la. That should be documented under experimental usage. JPeton (talk) 12:06, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
- @JPeton, do you have a reference of people doing that, I've never seen that. do you mean such as Olipija's use? which is also lacking in the article jan Juwan (talk) 12:40, 6 June 2024 (UTC)