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Page should significantly alter wording, include counterpoints; or consider deletion due to harm of "native speaker" ideology[edit | edit source]

I uh, can't edit the page myself for ethics reasons, being the one who makes the claim contesting it, but my statement on the matter is here:

https://discord.com/channels/301377942062366741/301377942062366741/1074315891732393984

but more critically, commentary from jan Olipija on the harm present in the idea of "native" speakers:

https://lukapona.blogspot.com/2023/02/native-speakers-pi-toki-ponali-lon-ala.html

this has more comment from myself Gregdan3 (talk) 19:10, 20 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I am completely aware of that the page in the current form is problematic, but deleting it I think is the NOT (EDIT: HOW DID I ACCIDENTALLY SAY THE OPPOSITE THING) best idea. if you don't talk about the issue, it doesn't go away. also I don't know what native speaker ideology is. SnpoSuwan (talk) 20:29, 20 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]