Discuss kepeken

Potentially this should be merged with kepeken e, but that's a whole fight I don't have the spoons for right now. The history of the various forms is definitely beyond me, since the discourse is frequently (and I take my share of the blame here) acrid and aggressive. JPeton (talk) 21:21, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Hm, maybe kepeken e is not named very well, but I like having a page that's separate from kepeken to talk about the discussion about transitive kepeken at length.

Yeah, I think renaming kepeken e might be good. Jan Ke Tami (talk) 23:33, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Agreed. JPeton (talk) 01:26, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

And even if that article were pared down enough to merge with this one, word articles should probably keep mentions of contested nasin brief, right? A lot of learners are fighting to make sense of anything (can say this from experience) and just looking for information on the meanings and most basic uses of words. They'd benefit from knowing that the meaning of kepeken in this position is unclear, but to avoid adding confusion, it seems best to cover the details of that elsewhere. Menasewi (talk) 15:29, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

Agreed. There's two separate articles here: one on the interpretation of transitive prepositions and its history, and one on the word kepeken. There's obviously overlap, but I agree that this article should be focused on how kepeken can actually be used as distinct from the history of discourse over it. What name should kepeken e use, and should that article be merged with monsutatesu? JPeton (talk) 20:53, 11 November 2023 (UTC)