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== Page should be deleted for non-notability ==
This is an in-joke that barely continued to exist by the time I joined the community, and is persisted only among the handful of people from that time that are still involved in the community. It never existed as a word in Toki Pona by any metric other than the bare minimum of somebody claiming to have coined it as a word in Toki Pona. It does not meet any reasonable standard of notability and should not be part of the wiki. [[User:Gregdan3|Gregdan3]] ([[User talk:Gregdan3|talk]]) 04:04, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
:sounds good to me, maybe move to [[ma pona pi toki pona]] ~[[User:.hecko|.hecko]] ([[User talk:.hecko|talk]]) 17:47, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
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::anyway i'm still recommending this page for deletion [[User:Gregdan3|Gregdan3]] ([[User talk:Gregdan3|talk]]) 00:11, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
:::continuing to recommend this page for deletion; the stated reasoning has not changed and will not change no matter what level of detail is included on the page [[User:Gregdan3|Gregdan3]] ([[User talk:Gregdan3|talk]]) 18:21, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
::::Since this discussion started, jan Lepeka has added <code>aAANUSEMEmailMahjong</code> to {{tp|[[sitelen seli kiwen]]}} and [[Fairfax]], making this issue a bit more complicated. As stated at [[SP:N]], inclusion in a font is arguably enough reason to include a word on the wiki, because people who find it in the font will ask questions about what the word is, and it's better that they find it on our wiki with more nuanced info and disclaimers than in most other places.
::::That said,
::::a) That doesn't mean that it needs to have its own article. We can move it to another article, as .hecko suggested.
::::b) Unlike many other joke words, there isn't really a danger of people starting to use aAANUSEMEmailMahjong as a serious Toki Pona word, because it's very obviously not a real word (unlike e.g. {{tp|[[jonke]]}}). So the common argument for including it may not apply here.
::::— [[User:jan Pensa|jan Pensa]] ([[User talk:jan Pensa|talk]]) [[File:Sitelen seli kiwen - Pensa.png|x24px]] 03:40, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
:::::- "a bit more complicated" Strongly disagree. Inclusion in a font alone should not at all be one of your notability standards, especially in comparison to Lepeka's fonts that are known to be maximalist. If that alone were enough to consider the word notable, you would have to record literally hundreds more words in relation to their glyphs that, as far as I can tell, only Lepeka and max two others are even aware of. Being in a font is a point to consider toward notability, but it is a weak one compared to usage, relevance, etc. The strongest point to the relevance of this word prior to its inclusion in Lepeka's fonts is that we are talking about it because people kept making the joke every few months.
:::::- Also, "arguably enough" the wording is "presence in a [[learning resource]] or [[font]] *may* amount to notability" which explicitly on the basis of Lepeka's fonts I reject. It is a point toward notability, but is not sufficient for notability on its own. Again, there are hundreds more words in sitelen seli kiwen than this wiki tracks, and the same hundreds more that this wiki does not care to track- or I would assume not. As a point of comparison: Would it be notable if I created a sitelen pona font and began distributing it, and it had glyphs for words that had never been seen before? It would be a novelty to note in the page about that font, perhaps, but the words themselves are irrelevant.
:::::- I'm saying it doesn't meet notability for mention on the wiki *at all* and I do not find it satisfactory for it to be moved to a subpage. Its only relationship to Toki Pona the language is being an in-joke present in its community- it does not either meet the metric for being a word in toki pona, beyond what I originally noted that somebody claimed it to be. [[User:Gregdan3|Gregdan3]] ([[User talk:Gregdan3|talk]]) 21:25, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
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